Совсем тупой вопрос: сколько минимум учиться на бакалавра?

[Apasholimenos]

Обычный срок – четыре года, так? А есть ли какие-то сокращенные, ускоренные программы и т. п.? Можно ли получить ВА/BS быстрее, чем за четыре года?

Речь о Канаде, естествено. Спасибо.

[DonPedro]

В некоторых колледжах есть и трёхгодичные программы на Bachelor degree

[Oleg]

I know York University used to offer "ordinary B.A." that took 3 years to complete.
http://www.arts.yorku.ca/advising/handb ... estrct.htm

You really have to contact them and double check whether this is still the case, although it seems like they have offered it as recently as 2005":
go to
http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/senate/ ... em%201.pdf

and search for the phrase "Ordinary Bachelor’s Degree".

Keep in mind that University of Toronto will probably provide you with documents saying that your Russian 5 year diplom from an accredited university [i.e. Kiev university, but not Uzhgorod University] corresponds to a Canadian Master of Arts degree.
[They will look at the total hours of lectures, and 5 years in a Soviet university correspond to a 4 year B.A. + 1 year M.A. in Canada (where each course takes only 13 weeks to complete, and a "year" = 26 weeks)]

[Oleg]

You need 20 full courses to get an Honours B.A. and 15 full courses to get an Ordinary B.A. Normally, students take 5 half courses in each of 2 terms (fall and winter) for 4 years. Some take 4 half courses in each of 2 terms and then take 1 half course in each of 2 summer terms
[Each of these terms last 6 weeks in the summer. During the fall and winter terms, students attend lectures for 3 hours each week. During the summer term, students attend 6 hours of lectures per week {either 1.5 hours per day for 4 days a week, or 3 hours per day for 2 days a week}]

Students who take courses only during the fall and winter terms can work or enjoy a summer vacation from about April 15 to the first Tuesday following Labour Day in September. Summer school takes place between May 1 and July 31. So even if you take summer school, you will still have a 1-2 week break in April + the entire August. Some students take 10 half courses during the fall and winter terms and then take 4 half courses during the summer term. This adds up to 7 full courses. Students who do this in each of 3 years can earn their 20 course credits, and hence a Honours B.A. in 3 years. You can earn an Ordinary B.A. in 2 school (September-April) years and 3 summers (May-July).

Keep in mind that some Canadian universities will give you credits to go towards your degree at their institution for any post secondary [= "education you get after high school"] courses you have completed in Russia. For example if you took some "technikum" courses, they might count them as 1st year courses at their university (so you won't have to take these courses). This is the idea behind "Seneca at York" - Seneca college students can get credit for their education and not take York's first year courses.

If any of the above is unclear, please let me know.

[Apasholimenos]

Oleg,

Since we started talking about it – a question that has been plaguing me such a long time. What's the equivalent of the Russian (or, rather, Soviet) 5-year diploma? Does it correspond to a Bachelor's or a Master's degree? In other words, what should I write in my CV – BA or MA? Who the hell am I?

Thanks a lot for the info, very helpful.

[Apasholimenos]

Oleg,
Sorry, I've been inattentive, I missed what you wrote about MA being Russian diploma equivalent; so please disregard my question in this respect.

[Oleg]

You need to have University of Toronto evaluate your documents and send you an official letter stating that in their opinion your education is equivalent to degree X in Canada. Perhaps someone else on this forum could give you the details on how you go about getting this letter.

I know that you will need your (Soviet) university transcript. This transcript should have the list of courses you took, the grade you earned in each course, and (most importantly!) the number of hours of instruction in each course.

You might find my earlier posts about earning a Canadian M.A. [it takes only 2 terms - September to April, you can work as a teaching assistant (your salary is higher than your tuition), and many programs don't require you to write a Master's thesis] or B.Ed. (to become a teacher) useful.

[Pasha]

Это адрес Comporative Educational Service (University of Toronto): http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/ces/ там все требования.
Мне эвалюировали 6-ти летний вузовский диплом как ВА, например.
Если одно ВА уже есть – в том же Йорк Юниверсити можно получить дополнительное ВА (Bachelor of Education) за год-полтора всего (в зависимости от того насколько интенсивно заниматься).

[Oleg]

> Это адрес Comporative Educational Service (University of Toronto): http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/ces/ там все требования.

Thanks for the link!

> Мне эвалюировали 6-ти летний вузовский диплом как ВА, например.

Did you have the hours in your transcript? Was your university on their list?

My mother got the equivalent of an M.A. for her 5 year diplom. Her friend didn't have the hours on her transcript, so her equivalent was a B.A.

> Если одно ВА уже есть – в том же Йорк Юниверсити можно получить дополнительное ВА (Bachelor of Education) за год-полтора всего (в зависимости от того насколько интенсивно заниматься).

B.Ed. "normally" takes 2 years to complete. But other Bachelor degrees "normally" take 4 years to finish... If you have an equivalent of a B.A. (and reasonable grades), you can get accepted into a Master's program and earn an M.A. in 2 semesters (September-April). You will be taking courses for 2*13=26 weeks.

[Pasha]

Да, я тоже знаю несколько случаев, когда эволюация произошла в большую сторону:)
У меня были эти транскрипты, более того, они даже пересчитали мои оценки на местные баллы (за дополнительную плату, разумеется), так что я не не знаю точно от чего это зависит.

Что касается МА – то в следующем году, видимо. Пока мой скромный английский не позволяет:( Там нужен высокий балл по языку, как впрочем и на BEd

[DonPedro]

What's the equivalent of the Russian (or, rather, Soviet) 5-year diploma? Does it correspond to a Bachelor's or a Master's degree?

99% it's a B.A. equivalent

[ViRuCa]

My 5-year degree from Moscow University is "diploma of specialist" according to World Education Services evaluation. Exactly the way my certified translator put it in his "word-to-word" translation . Evaluation report states it's equivalent to Canadian B.A. (even though there was a lot of hours in my transcript)

For you resume you'd better use B.A. instead of M.A. as most jobs don't require M.A. and you might be considered overqualified. Unless you are in science or something like that...

[Apasholimenos]

What is a B.Ed. degree? is it awarded to future teachers only?

[DonPedro]

All B.Ed./Dip.Ed. programs lead to recommendation to the Ontario College of Teachers for the awarding of the Certificate of Qualification as a teacher, which qualifies the holder to teach in the publicly-supported schools of Ontario.
Graduates may also apply for certification in other provinces and other countries. However, each province and country has its own certification requirements.


Dip.Ed. - Diploma in Education is designed to meet the needs of educators who plan to continue their professional education.

Admission to a Diploma in Education is open to all applicants who hold an acceptable degree from a recognized university. Some Diplomas require particular prerequisites although no particular degree standing is required. Many Diplomas are only open to teachers with a Bachelor of Education and some Diplomas are designed for educators who teach in other areas.

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